The Resonate Podcast with Aideen

From Corporate Certainty to Founder Freedom with Fiona Brennan

• Aideen Ni Riada/ Fiona Brennan • Season 3 • Episode 87

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What happens to your confidence when the job title drops away and it is suddenly all on you?

In this episode of The Resonate Podcast, Aideen sits down with business success coach and project management expert Fiona Brennan to explore the inner and outer shifts required when you move from corporate structure to founder freedom. Fiona speaks candidly about the early shock of doing every role yourself, the vulnerability of uncertainty, and the moment she realised that building a business is not only a strategic leap but a nervous system one too.

At the heart of the conversation is a liberating reframe. You are not your business. Wins and misses reflect timing, messaging, and fit rather than your worth. When you learn to stay connected but not attached to outcomes, your energy stabilises and decision making becomes clearer. Fiona shares practical somatic tools such as breath, movement, and emotional release that help regulate stress so creativity and logic can work together again.

We also explore the underestimated power of community. Networking is not just about visibility or sales, it is about being witnessed in the messy middle. Fiona reflects on her kitchen table turning point, her choice to design a flexible life, and the simple but powerful practice of writing a vivid vision without worrying about how. Decide first, she says, and the path reveals itself one step at a time.

If you are standing at the edge, questioning identity, income, or how to balance ambition with family and wellbeing, this conversation offers grounded guidance and compassionate clarity. Learn how to separate who you are from what you do, regulate your body under pressure, and align daily action with long term truth. Then ask yourself, what is the one small honest step you will take today?

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Aideen Ni Riada:

Welcome to the Resonate Podcast with Aideen. My guest today, Fiona Brennan, is a business success coach, mentor, and project management consultant with over 20 years experience helping ambitious entrepreneurs turn their vision into reality through a blend of strategy, mindset mastery, and energetic alignment. Welcome, Fiona. It's great to have you here.

Fiona Brennan:

Thank you, Aideen. It's such a joy to be with you because I know you for the last few years and it's a pleasure to be on your podcast, your beautiful podcast.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Oh, thank you so much. So we met through online networking during COVID. This is a time when a lot of people who had small businesses suddenly had the rug pulled out from under them, and we all ended up basically online going, What can I do here? Like this is the space now that's relevant, that's that um you know, that is an opportunity in like it was like an opportunity in all of the destruction that was happening around us. Um, and when I met you, I just really admired your um your values and the work that you were doing. And uh, I hadn't spoken to you now in a little while. So I'm really curious about the journey you've taken with your business throughout uh COVID and how you know coaching as a as part of your work has um started to blossom for you.

Fiona Brennan:

Thank you, Aideen. Yeah, so 2020, God. Um that's five years ago, it's over five years ago now, isn't it? Um yeah, when the online world, I suppose, completely blew up, which was amazing because I had started coaching a little bit before that, and mostly with people nearby within driving distance, um, because you know, I suppose people weren't like, oh no, I couldn't, I couldn't be a client online. Um, it just wouldn't feel good, but now actually it is the thing. Um, but I suppose to go back to your question, maybe about how you know the whole thing started. Um as you've introduced me there as project management consultant, that was my first business in 2017. I left the corporate world after, I suppose, 20 years, and set up my own freelance project management business. And you know, there's a backstory to how that came about, but um, it was through becoming uh an entrepreneur, so to speak, uh business owner, um, that I entered the world of coaching because I thought all I needed to do was just show up and repeat what I would have done for corporate, just now do it myself. Just show up. I can project manage, yeah, really good at what I do, um, just rock on out there. But that wasn't the case because what I discovered was um the mindset piece of me, the value I thought of me, suddenly became very highlighted and all within myself, like not visible to anybody else. Um, but against my confidence that would have been quite high when I was employed, suddenly fell to the floor when I was standing there as myself, a business owner, two feet on the ground, but very, very wobbly. And I questioned, was I good enough? I questioned who am I to ask for money? I questioned, yeah, my capabilities, my my knowledge, my experience, everything. I questioned it all. And for the first year of running that business, while I got work, and that was mostly, I suppose, because I knew people in the industry, um, I struggled. I struggled with anxiety and stress, working all the hours and charging hardly anything. And being a mum of three kids, three um primary school kids at the time, they're below 12. Some are kicked in that particular year, and they're all at home, and I'm I can't spend a moment with them. And the moments I do spend with them, I'm an absolute, well, antichrist or other words I could come up with to say like um not fun to be around. So it was that that led me into discovering. I I, you know, googling one day, I don't know what I Googled, how to help myself or how do I get out of this, um, that I discovered coaching. And did you use another find a coach at that point? No. No, I didn't. I I I went to try and find a coach, but actually discovered the coaching school or training and spoke to the guy running it, and it sounded exactly what I needed. That was July of 2017, but it wasn't until March 2018 that I actually signed up to do the programme. And I signed up literally to help myself with no other intention behind it. Why didn't I get a coach there and then? Because I didn't really know that they existed, I didn't really know what they did, and I just continued to firefight for the next few months.

Aideen Ni Riada:

And as well, you're you know, you're highly educated. Um, everything that you've learned in the past had generally been through an education rather than yes, like a a mentor, coach, one other person type of scenario, which is quite it's quite new, you know. I know it's like a buzzword now. Everybody and we see a lot of coaches on the online world, but you know, up until you know, five, ten years, Ireland didn't people weren't talking. I mean, a coach was somebody that coached you on a team, like that was that was the only coach we knew about.

Fiona Brennan:

Or or or maybe a career coach was probably as as most that you might have seen. Yeah, for your C V for your CV, literally, for that. Um, but I guess you know, the other part of it was when you're a high achiever and when you're like you're just so good at just figuring things out yourself, getting things done. Um, the idea of do you need somebody else to help you to do what you need to do? There's a resistance to that. And I see that in a lot of clients who come to me initially. There's a resistance, they know they need help, but they're like, it can feel like um a what's the right word? Kind of giving in a little bit or um a failure, a judgment. Failure, a judgment, a negative judgment on yourself at some point. I'm not able to do this by myself. What does that mean about me? What does that say about me?

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, but people completely underestimate um the structure of a a cur a business. So when we're working for other people, and there's someone else doing, you know, the payroll, and there's someone else doing the schedule, and there's someone else doing all these different pieces, and we underestimate how much that kind of supports us in doing the thing that we do really well. It supports us in just doing that. And when you become a business owner, suddenly you have to do everybody's job, which is it takes your eye off the thing that you're really good at, and then you feel like you have to upgrade in all these different ways, you have to learn to do this and this and this and this, and it becomes overwhelming.

Fiona Brennan:

Yes, yes, and it's a lonely road, um, especially if you're surrounded by people who are employees, because that's the space you came from. So most naturally you probably are surrounded by more employees, so it's very hard to explain to others why you're struggling, um, that you're wearing all that you're doing all these hats. And, you know, I went through phases of resentment, you know, um, to others, um, in particular, I suppose, I suppose those closest, i.e. husband, um, you know, working late hours and you don't get it, and then there's but there's little money coming in, and you're like, what is this all for? But at the same time, you feel the call to keep going. Um, it's not a thing of like, oh here, I'll just give up and go back. Because there's a pull there. There's a really big pull to why you started the business in the first place. So, you know, there's this push, pull all the time. Um, and I think that's that's one of the big things that catch people. It's just the the need or the want or the feel that they need to do it all themselves, but yet there's so much to be done. Um and networking, you know, one of the you just said we we met over networking. I mean, I had the project management business for three years as a business owner, and it was only when I started to introduce to start the coaching business that I discovered that networking was a thing. I was like, what? Like, what even women get together, what somewhere, and they go for evening, whatever, and they support each other. I was like, oh my god, I had just been hiding behind a computer and the project computer. Um, so that was really interesting. That it took the coaching piece to realize networking was a support, not just a marketing. Like networking is there yet to help you market your business for sure. But the biggest, the better and the bigger thing of networking is that support from other people who are doing the same thing, i.e., running a business like you are, so they get there's that commonality of you know what you go through, so you feel like you're not alone, it's not just you, um, and what can we do together to support each other, you know? That's really important.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Definitely, yeah. And it's there's so much value in following that path, you know. There's there's a when we get that inspiration and we start to have a vision of, you know, okay, so there's more maybe freedom if I do this kind of work. I'm or there's more expression. So I get to be more of me, I get to bring more of who I truly am to my work, my gifts, because if you go into a lot of workplace and employee situations, it's like they want a piece of you, but they may not see the full picture of what you're you're able to do, and it's not appropriate for you to be doing those things, perhaps there. So we know I think deep down that there is value in taking that step as um as a journey for ourselves, but having that become our bread and butter and making that an income, that can be the difficult part because we're marrying um a passion with you know economics, which isn't always easy. It's like two parts of your brain, the creative side and the logic side, have to get together and and have a year. Um, so what was the journey for you in kind of finding that balance?

Fiona Brennan:

Yeah, and like I suppose just to add to what you were saying there, um, you know, there is that piece between logic and creativity. Um, and I've actually just got a blank uh of the I had to snuck it to share now, and it's gone wafting through the menopause hormonal clouds there for a moment. It will come back.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah. No, anyway, I'm guessing, right? So I know when we before we came on, you started telling me about working somatically with the body, you know, and how our body needs to come with us. And you've also mentioned how anxiety was rising within you as you were working through your own business. So we're talking about here mentally, obviously, the creativity and the logic, but then we also have that other piece, which is your physical and your nervous system's ability to handle this. Um, I guess it's uncertainty. And that thing I would say uncertainty is one of the biggest challenges of any business owner.

Fiona Brennan:

Yes, for sure. And um the the element I was actually gonna say there was um making it about yourself, when we make the business about us, that causes a lot of anxiety, and that causes a lot of I suppose low energy because low energy, low vibration. So because when we start out and we're a business owner, um it's like our baby. So if the business is doing well, it's like, oh, that's great. Look how great I am, right? But when things are challenging, and maybe you know, a sale didn't happen or a launch, you know, plummeted, or whatever it might be, or products, whatever it didn't make the hit, um we can make it about ourselves, but it's not about us, it's about the business. And learning to separate, and this has been part of my journey, and it's like, you know, oh my goodness, thank God. Like I decided to to open up a business at some point a few years ago, because I would never have learned all this, but to separate that that's the business, it's not it's not us, it's not you, it's not me. I'm still amazing, I'm still like whole and wonderful, just as I am. Whenever the business happens, whatever goes and flows with the business. Um when we when we make it about us, it's where we st where we really struggle, and that impacts our vibration and our frequency, and that actually does then impact the business. So it's not about us, but our energy has an impact on it. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know if I explained that properly.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, no, I think that made a lot of sense because um we are what I the way I would put it would would be don't take it personally. Like don't rather than I mean it is about you a little bit, do you know what I mean? Because you're you're if you're spearheading your own business, but you're saying that if you take the failures too personally and you take the successes personally, you're not seeing the business as a separate thing. And um this the business has to become some sort of a separate have an identity of its own in some way, right?

Fiona Brennan:

Yes, yes, because if you are, you know, if you're the business owner and whether you grow a team or even if you don't grow the team, you're still effectively the CEO of your business. Um, but there's you know the CEO, and then there's you, um, and in order to like so the business is the businesses, keeping it separate. Um, but it's it's that you know, if you say if you you have a launch, you have a program or you have a product, um, the path or the failure of that, the success or failure of that has nothing to do with you as a person. It might have something to do with the the marketing that you did or didn't do, or the you know, the client type that you did or didn't go to sell it to. Um, but it's not about you. There's a difference. And initially, I have found that a lot of business owners, people come to me, make it about themselves, and that is where there's a struggle. Um, and I think especially for women, um, more so as well, because I suppose there is that mothering energy that's there and want to make everything right and work well and make everyone happy, and anyone who's achieved receiving your service or product, um, that natural instinct to, you know, make it all whatever. But it's just it's easier for us to keep our energy clean when we separate ourselves from it. And how do you how do you do that? Well, I mean, you do that over time with starting to look at what story you're telling, where your beliefs are about it. So, where are you on that spectrum, first of all, where you know, how much are you in that right now, and then starting to maybe to shift that story slowly, and then you know, developing new habits and and um looking after energy from that point of view. So it's it's it's not a flick of the switch, but it's just first of all, it's acknowledging it, becoming aware. Are you how much of you are you are you in that, how much is being altered by the success or the failure of you know what's happening in your business, um, and then starting to detach. So being connected, but not attached. Yeah, and that is something that to learn to do, it's a mastery, it's not a point where like, oh, okay, I'm there now. I'm at that point now where I've it mastered, I'm always like, no, it's it's always ongoing. But the more, the more you become aware of it, um, and the more you start to then practice a step back from it ever so slightly, and looking after your mind, looking after your body, looking after your energy, um, that starts it becomes easier to detach.

Aideen Ni Riada:

So, most business owners, if they're working for themselves, they they had a moment where they realized I don't want to do my job anymore. I know that I want to do something different. So, what was the reason that you decided to take that step out of the corporate world into working for yourself?

Fiona Brennan:

It was very simple, Aidan. It was very simple. Um, um, you know, I think it was probably always there in the back of my mind, but you know, there was a moment at a kitchen table, a kitchen table moment evening, um, when I'm listening to the kids describe to me what happened that afternoon while I was at work, where the minder was picking them up and she was doing X, Y, and Z, whatever. And I just always all of a sudden had this overwhelming um feeling of um I want to do that. I don't want her to do that anymore. I want to be the one who is picking them up and who is, you know, here. And I'd always had it, but I'd like I loved my job so much, it was kind of like, okay, well, look, you know, make some choices here, Fiona. But this moment was actually very strong. And it didn't happen straight away from that, but that stuck with me, and I think that was underlying starting to bubble up more and more. Um, and then when we moved, we we went through a phase where we're moving moving house and whatever, and kids were getting set up. New schools, and I was due to go back to my work, and I just knew I wouldn't go back because I'd taken some time off to do the move, and I just was like, No, I am not actually going to get a minder to come back into this new place. I'm actually, I'm going to do this. But I didn't know how because I was still employed, I'd only taken some time off. But I had this again very strong, like, I'm I'm not going to do this to them, or whatever is the right word for it. Um, so it was really like that pull of I wanted to be there. Um, and then like then I got a phone call really quickly afterwards from my boss at the time, thinking, oh, you know, we're just going to arrange the date that I'm coming back. And actually, no, it wasn't about that at all. It was like, uh, so some changes are happening in the company right now. Everyone's been contracted out, and you actually have uh a choice to make to be contracted out or to leave. So I was like, that's isn't that interesting. Isn't that interesting? And I remember actually laughing, I laughed um down the phone at him, like you know, not you know, not in a bad way, but it was just kind of like, I can't believe you're actually saying this to me. Um, so it was it was a gift um of being, I suppose, of permission to go. Yeah, wonderful. Um, so it was a couple of months later then um I I left wrapped up, so I didn't have to actually manage to get through those couple months without having to get anyone to come in. So the kids then had me. And and you had them. Like, I mean, with the way you're speaking right now, and I had them, yeah.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Because I think you know, okay, you the kids were they were laughing and happy that the minder picked them up, blah blah blah. They weren't going, Mammy, why isn't it you? But you felt that you wanted that connection with these children all under the age of 12. You didn't want to miss out. So when you eventually made that decision to leave, it wasn't just for the children, it was for you as well.

Fiona Brennan:

Oh, very much so. Oh, very much. Oh, yes, I could have tipped away as it was, and they wouldn't have known any different. Oh, absolutely. Like this is this was for me, and yes, okay, let's say it's for them, but you know, if they don't know, they don't know. Um, but it was just a very strong pull. And um, when the job ended, I I still went and did some interviews because I didn't still didn't know what I was going to do. And um I went and did some job interviews, and I remember sitting in the job interviews, and I was ideal for the job, but it was kind of like, yeah, I could do this, absolutely no bother. And I'm thinking, going like, no, I don't want to do your job. Thanks very much. I actually want to drive around here for 9 a.m. and stay till five, actually want to be back home. So that's when then a desire I had spoken out loud of about three years before that to a friend saying, Um, we were just going for a walk one day, and she says, What would you do? You know, if you had whatever, I suppose, a choice to do something different. And I said I would do project management for other businesses. What I do for my what I do in work, I would do for others. Um, so um, yeah, I just went off and set it up. Had not a clue, not a notion what I was getting into, not a notion how you even set up a business, um, and just went for it. So the freedom and the flexibility to be here in the mornings, to be there in the evenings, to be gone and do the job I needed to do during the day um was was the why. And yeah, just just to and and to to offer what I could in a different way as well. To for it to be more exciting for me as opposed to being in one organization, I could now actually bring this to many organizations, and that was exciting, that was different. So it was an adventure as well of I felt I had maxed myself out in my employment as well, and I felt I wanted something different and more. So it was adventure for me, and it was freedom and flexibility for me and the kids.

Aideen Ni Riada:

What would you say to someone who's at that precipice of making a decision to make a change in their work environment to possibly become a solo entrepreneur or start their own project management business? What advice would you give them?

Fiona Brennan:

I would say um to get to create some space for yourself, first of all, and just to um hear what your body is trying to say to you. What is that pull that's happening that when we're so busy um we don't feel it and hear it properly, we know it's there, but we keep pushing it aside and actually allow that to come up and be the guide, and no matter no matter how scary it is, because it is it is scary to just trust that innermost feeling and to then decide to just decide that's it, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna trust it. And even though all the things around you are probably nowhere even remotely supporting it, and the people around you may not be remotely supporting it at all, because it's not what's known in their zone as well as yours, trusting that innermost feeling of just going for it and trying it. Um, because when you decide, and this is something that's really important, when you're like, I don't know, will I, won't I, will I, won't I? Like, there's so much against it. Why would I even? But deep down, you still have this pull happening, like it's like a gnawing, it's a gnawing, and even though you ditch it and you just get on with things and you keep showing up every morning and doing whatever it is that you're doing, there's this gnawing going on. When you make a decision to go for it, what will actually turn up in your favor step by step is unreal. You won't know until you decide, you will not know. It's like you know, Harry Potter movie, and uh there's a piece in it uh where they step into this blank map, and the the map is completely blank, but when they step in the first piece that they step into it, the next step appears, and then the next and then the next. So it's that trust of jumping, knowing that the universe has your back. So, as a great um coach of mine uh says when you move, I move. So when you move, the universe is listening. You take that step of that decision at the universe and moves with you.

Aideen Ni Riada:

I love it. And I loved how you mentioned earlier that you just wrote down a new vision. You mentioned this to me earlier that when you've been at those turning points, because we have those turning points more than just that one. You've had many turning points since then. But what your strategy was was that you decided, right, if you know I ditch everything I thought it was going to be, what would the new vision be? And you wrote it all down. And that's that's a powerful jerk, you know, thing to do.

Fiona Brennan:

It is, and creating vision is is one of the um big pieces, I suppose, of what I do is taking that time to allow that vision of the unknown to you know come to you and to even play with it, to write down what is possible because we're so good and we're you know designed to think about all the things that could go wrong. And when you give yourself a when I said earlier, you know, take some time out, take some quiet time to listen. Um, whether that be just you know sitting down in quiet stillness with a cup of tea um with no noise, whether that be going for a walk in nature or sitting by the sea, whatever your your space is for you, um when you allow that space and to think, okay, well, what if it could be different? What if it could be anything? And we all know the phrase and we've seen the memes about you know, you're the designer of your life and you're the painter of your canvas, and right, you get to choose. What does that actually mean to your everyday? It means uh you get to just write it as you'd love it to be. Write it and speak it as you love it to be without knowing how, without knowing what, without even knowing when. Just it's dreaming. And playing with it, playing with it, not being attached, you know, as I was saying earlier to being on it, not being attached, just like that the kids' letter to Santa, you know, the the they don't know how the hell Santa's going to freaking figure all this stuff out between now and Christmas. But I'm writing my letter and I'm want this, that, and the other, da da da da, and I'm posting it and I'm putting it in the post box and I'm trusting it'll make its way, and now I go back to whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing here. Maybe I'm supposed to be homework or it's out to play football or whatever it might be, it gets forgotten about. Um, there's a trust there, and that's the piece. And I was sharing with you about earlier about writing the the letter or the letter, the vision um for something in six months' time. Again, that was just like that was just me being playful. What I love instead, what could it be? And let's get juicy about it. Let's like, let's throw all in all the stuff that it could be, and um just throw it out there and the piece then is coming back and turning up to your everyday in the best way that you can and being in your everyday and not being attached to the outcome. Not being attached to the outcome.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. I love it. And I think what would I love instead? What could it be? It's allowing yourself to dream and it's um then it just takes a little bit of confidence to say yes to the opportunities that come your way because sometimes they're right there in front of us, and we just need to take a step in in that direction. Um, so this has been a beautiful conversation, Fiona. We are going to be wrapping up in a few minutes. Is there any last um piece of wisdom that you'd like to remind our listeners about? Um, and perhaps you'd like to share how they can get in touch with you.

Fiona Brennan:

Um, so I suppose yeah, it's bundles of I'd love to share, but I guess trusting yourself and trusting what's possible is a big part of it. Um trusting that inner pull, first of all, and knowing knowing that there's a reason why you're feeling what you're feeling, there's a reason why you've got that pull inside, and know it there's no magic quick fix to it. And anything that you see in marketing that's like, you know, do my program because it saves you all the 10 steps, whatever. Like, no, we've got to go through the journey we've got to go through. And our journey is our journey. Um, so yes, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but actually no, because you're supposed to go through what you're supposed to go through. It's just it. And it's all gorgeous, and it's your canvas and it's your um, you know, it's it's your quilt of life with all the patches, patch for every year. Um, but just trusting, trusting the pull is there for a reason. And even if the the thread of your business why or business pull becomes so frailed and tin at times that it's almost almost gone. Hanging on by a thread, as they say, but literally, even the thread is gone to shreds, it doesn't matter, it's just hang on to it. Because once you say, like, you know, I'm hanging on because I know that this is where I'm supposed to be right now, um, and asking that question, okay. So if it's where I'm supposed to be, and if it feels like this is what I'm supposed to do, then what is one small thing at the at the point where you're most pushed? What is one small thing that I could do to just lift me further, lift me forward, whatever that means. And if that's a phone call, if that's an email out to just ask someone you know for a bit of support, or it's just any sort of an inkling idea at all on what you could possibly do, just go do it and go from there.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Beautiful. Yeah, it's it is in the moment that those changes happen, isn't it? Um, yeah. We have to trust the feeling within us is real and it's there for a reason, and then inspiration does come, and there usually is at least one thing, and even if there isn't one thing, like a phone call, it could be researching, it could be just typing into Google, how do I do this?

Fiona Brennan:

It it could be, and it also could be just allowing yourself to curl up into a ball and ball your eyes out, and um until there's nothing more to to give, and then standing up and dust yourself off and just say, Okay, I'm doing again, let's go again. And it is that dusting yourself off. And um, by the way, like just not being afraid to cry, and crying does not mean that anything's wrong, crying is actually just energy and motion, and we all need to do a lot more of it more openly and stop judging us. It's nothing wrong, it's just let's just move it up and out, up and out, so it doesn't sit in fester. Yeah, well, I love that the solution to everything is a good cry, good sleep. Wake up the next morning and say, Let's go again, back on the horse. Yay, girl.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yay, let's go. Yes, I love it. And you know, getting that support, I think, can be can be good. And I think look, if you're listening to this now, if you need to go and have a good cry, you have our permission to do that. If you if you feel that you want support and you need to make a phone call to someone that you know would be helpful, you've you've got a permission to do that. Give yourself the permission to take another step, give yourself permission to do what you need to do today. Because if you're stuck and you can't move forward, then you probably need to do something a little different to to change things, and it's scary, but you're not the only one going through that that we've we've been through it too, and it doesn't there are always more transformations ahead, so nobody's got it all together all of the time. Like we like we're both in a process, like a journey with our businesses, yeah.

Fiona Brennan:

And it is it's a developing mastery all the time, and everything's developing, and you know, you grow, your business grows, um, so you know, things change, it's constant fluctuation, and that's okay, it's what it's supposed to be, it's not like a one and done. Um, and can I just also add just what you said there about being stuck, whatever. Um, what if you're never actually stuck? What if being stuck is just a trick of the mind, and you're never actually stuck, it's just telling you so to keep you the same because it's afraid. So if you weren't stuck, if you weren't actually stuck, if there was no stuck, what would you do?

Aideen Ni Riada:

Beautiful. Thank you so much. Um Fiona Brennan, based in Ireland, working with clients all over the place. Um, how would you like people to get in touch with you?

Fiona Brennan:

Um, look me up on LinkedIn and drop me a message there. I am under Fiona M for Mary, Fiona M. Brennan, and um you can DM me there um or look on my website inspireactionsuccess.com and you can send me a message there either.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah. Wonderful. Well, it's been really lovely having this conversation with you, Fiona and fair play. Thank you. Getting through the last five, six years since COVID and persevering and hanging on by that thread when we needed to. Oh yeah. We've both done a bit of that.

Fiona Brennan:

Yes, absolutely. It has, it has, I've had those moments of very, very fine thread. Yes. And um, I can I can happily say I'm so glad I didn't um the couple of particular ones, um just yeah, used use that to just pull back up again. Yeah, yeah. No matter how fine the thread is, hold on. No matter how fine, it's all good. Um, and um, you know, no one's getting out alive, so what have we got to lose? Let's just go for it. Beautiful.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Thank you all for listening. We'll see you on the next episode of the Resonate Podcast. Thank you, Aideen. Bye bye.