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Daily Creativity For Positive Change With Tahina Marcette Pierce: Episode 62

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Unlock the secrets of creative wellness with our special guest, Tahina Marcette-Pierce, a dynamic creative wellness coach and strategist. In this episode of the Resonate podcast, Tahina takes us along on her transformative journey from a conventional career to working in creative expression and emotional healing. At just 25, she discovered the profound therapeutic power of art, leading her to launch Marcette Studios. 

Even if you're skeptical or consider yourself a type A personality. Tahina shares practical steps for anyone to start their creative journey, such as the "What's on Your Heart" exercise that uses colors and shapes to express emotions. We delve into journaling as a powerful method for reflecting on feelings and overcoming creative blocks, leading to a state of peace and reduced stress. 

Finally, we discuss how incorporating creative wellness practices into your daily routine can foster a positive mindset and help you avoid burnout. Tahina emphasizes the importance of dedicating just 15 minutes a day to joyful activities like painting or dancing. Her signature program, "15 Minutes to Wellness," is designed to guide you on this journey. Listen in and be inspired to make creativity a cornerstone of your well-being.

About Tahina

Tahina Marchette Pierce is the dynamic force behind Marcette Studio Art & Wellness, where she serves as a Creative Wellness Coach, Creative Catalyst of Change for Communities, and Creative Solutionist. With a passion for empowering individuals through the healing power of creativity, Tahina leads the charge in providing transformative experiences for adults seeking holistic well-being. Tahina has cultivated a mobile arts and creative wellness studio that serves as a haven for inspiration and transformation. At the core of Tahina's mission is the belief in the profound impact of art therapy and creative expression on emotional, mental, and physical health. Through tailored programs, workshops, retreats, and experiential learning opportunities, she guides individuals on a transformative path towards healing, strength, and self-discovery. Tahina invites you to join her on this remarkable journey of transformation, healing, and self-discovery, as together, we paint a brighter, more vibrant future.




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Aideen Ni Riada:

Welcome to the Resonate podcast with Aideen. I'm here today with my guest, tahina Marcette-Pierce, and she is joining me from New York, isn't that right, tahina?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, I'm so, so happy to be here. Thanks so much for having me.

Aideen Ni Riada:

You're so welcome. I'm so glad that we met because when I found out about your mission and the way that you're working with people around creativity, I was very excited to share your story. Before we start, I'd like to just read out a little bit about Tahina so that you get to hear a little bit about her background. Tahina Merced-Pierce is a creative wellness coach and strategist who specializes in social, emotional and expressive arts. She is a self-taught abstract artist, creative entrepreneur and a creative catalyst of change for communities. Her superpowers are storytelling, building genuine connections and creating unforgettable experiences. Tell us how you found confidence in your voice to express all of this to the world.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, so this started around when I was about 25 years old and I was at a point in my life where I was being challenged by what was going on in my life and I was just very unhappy. And so one day I decided to purchase some art supplies. I got a paintbrush and some canvases and I took an opportunity to let those colors in the moment speak to me. So whatever kind of jumped out for me, and it was a color red, it was a color blue, and it was a color red, it was a color blue and it was a color white, and I actually did an abstract painting for the first time. And for me, in that moment, I realized that you could be able to use art as a means of creative expression. As a means of creative expression. And so from that point on, I actually had started to develop a few other abstract pieces.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

I had begun painting quite regularly, but it was all about the expression. Right, it wasn't and it was about the process. It wasn't specifically about creating a painting that would like get sold, right, but it was about me processing my emotions and being able to process those moments, those challenging moments that I was dealing with. And so from that opportunity, I realized that, that is, that there are so many ways that now I could start to reach and impact people, because I imagine how much people experience stress every day, they experience challenges every day, or how much they have to perse if they were to be able to use their own creativity, their own art, um, in order to to find their voice as well. And so that's how it all started, essentially, and a few years later, I did launch, uh, my um, my initiative, which is Marset Studios. And's how it all began.

Aideen Ni Riada:

That's amazing. So it really was your own experience, your own lack of creative expression at that moment, because of whatever you were doing before you stepped into your role as an entrepreneur, there must have felt like there was something missing, was was there before you found this as a as a medium?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

um, absolutely so. I think I've been a creative my whole life, right, so I had the opportunity to um, to dance and to uh, to sing, to write poetry. Um, I've done playwriting, so all different forms, art forms, and so I think at that point in my life I wasn't using that, I wasn't using my creative nature, my creative skills and talents as that expression for myself. And so when I decided to pick up those brushes, it kind of reignited that for me. Pick up those brushes, it kind of reignited that for me, and it also gave me permission to not only process what I was dealing with but to express myself in a way that I hadn't done before. And so you find courage. I found some courage in that as well too. So that connected to my voice and connected to exactly who I was.

Aideen Ni Riada:

So connected to exactly who I was Was needing, or feeling like you maybe needed, permission part of the reason why you took a conventional job originally before you started this more unusual kind of entrepreneurial journey.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yeah, I think that you know years ago. You know years ago um being or launching out, like as a creative and as an artist I don't think it was as much as a norm as it is now and so you know, there was safety right in having um this like stable, like income. It didn't matter, right, that it wasn't really um, I wanted to be right or it wasn't really in the direction that I was looking to go. But I'm good at connecting with people, as he stated in the beginning, and so marketing was a place that I was able to do that in events, and so I was in that space for a very long time. But there wasn't anything that I at least saw at that moment that spoke to me and said, hey, you could do this, you know what I mean. And so, um, yeah, and so it was easy to take the safe, the safer route at that point in time.

Aideen Ni Riada:

So, yeah, we learn from everything we do, and I mean you still use marketing in your business to some degree as well, of course.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, I still use that today and that's also why a portion of that is a part of my hub now with the Creative Wellness Hub.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

It's a portion of that now because I know the importance of it.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

I know that it's often challenging to market yourself, so you often need someone else to like support you right and getting the language that you're looking to get, and also making sure that you're that we're able to speak to who you are in the marketing right and that it's not a cookie cutter but it's able to speak to the individual and so, yes, and so that's why I also have added a portion of that to what it is that I do now. So it all ties together. But I definitely felt like if I probably could have started earlier, if I would have stepped out. But I'm grateful that I'm able to do it now and that I'm able to have some advocacy around it and also share my voice for others that might feel the same, and also share my voice for others that might feel the same and they don't have that vision to see someone else doing it. Well, now you get to see me right, and now they get to see you as well, and it encourages them to step out.

Aideen Ni Riada:

It's so important for you to speak out about this because it doesn't matter what age you are. You know whether you're 25, 35, 45, 55, you know, if you have that impulse to start exploring your creativity and you know that it's going to open things up for you, it's worth doing. Doesn't matter if you are doing it at last chance saloon, you know just before the end, it's always going to be worth doing. You know, you mentioned that you were. You know, just before the end, it's always going to be worth doing. And I, you know you mentioned that you were, you know a dancer and that you were involved in the arts and cultural activities as a kid, and I feel like a lot of parents do encourage that in children but maybe discourage them taking that route in a career. Is that what happened for you? A career?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Is that what happened for you? Yes, I will say that so, interestingly enough. Yes, that was what my mom encouraged, that, right? She encouraged my creativity, she encouraged my imagination, she encouraged all my ideas, right. So they would come and I would run to her and tell them, tell her all about them, the excitement behind that and everything.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

And then I hit 22, I hit 21, I hit 20s, and it's like, hey, you have to get a full time job. And it's like, but, mom, you raised me to be this way, right, a creative, to be this, you know, kind of like individual, and it's not to say I couldn't have taken those same strengths and skills and, of course, you know, became the best you know, marketing manager of the world, sure, but all in all, I wish that I would have kind of just stood on what, like she raised me on and just continued in that. But I think that being on both sides of it now that it's given me a little bit more we speak of that like resilience, right, because I have a little bit more to stand on and a bit more experience behind me. So I'm grateful for those moments and it still brought me back here.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, no regrets, right, because you know, when we take a you know, conventional role, whether it's marketing or something else, it also it will lend credibility to you as well, for for future, you know businesses, you may work for that. You have a corporate, you had a corporate position at a certain point, um, but you know you now, versus you as a kid, right. So you've been through this entrepreneurial journey now, right, and you had to trust your intuition and you've been pursuing your passions. What has made you different now, like, how different are you? Because the core is there, the creativity is still there, but obviously there's more confidence. Now, how do you feel in yourself today? What is it like to be you?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

So one thing that I love to title it as, or term it as, is courageous creativity, and so I love to live in this space because it's an opportunity for your courage to actually like not necessarily match up, but to kind of like meld together with your creativity. And now you have where, like, they're very connected, you know, and so one feeds the other. And so I found that the more that I ignite my creativity, the more I tap into it, and also the more I learn about it that it begs more courage, learn about it that it begs more courage, and then there's more creativity, and so they go hand in hand, and now that's the space that I live in, and I'm so grateful for that. I think that when I was growing up as a child, you always have this childlike innocence, so everything is kind of like new for you and you have like this imagination. But then you become an adult and then there's life.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

But what I've learned to do now, which is also another thing that I've termed is creative resilience. So I've learned how to use my creative abilities in order to help me to persevere, to maintain everyday life and to also overcome those daily challenges, and so now that has become a portion of my superpower. Right, my creativity is the thing that's helping to power me in all the areas of my life, and so now I've learned that's where the confidence comes from. I've learned how to take that creative power and harness it to show up in all the areas of my life and to be a benefit to me.

Aideen Ni Riada:

That's beautiful, and your mom obviously, when you were younger you were able to lean into her to help you with your confidence. Do you still have like support, supportive people around you that you can lean into as well, and do you feel like maybe you're more self-reliant reliant, obviously, to some degree now?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yeah, so I would say there was a portion of my life where I didn't have the support right. And so what I recognize is that, creatives, we thrive in having support. Even if it's a small amount like, even if it's two or three people, we thrive in that. And so I have found that I found a few people who are similar to me in that creative way, and we uphold each other in accountability. We uphold each other in our creative ideas and initiatives, and that's also why it gives me great pleasure to encourage others with their own creativity, and so, of course, that looks different for everyone. But then also letting them know hey, don't do this by yourself, right? And to find that.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

And so, yes, I am, at a certain point, self-reliance, but I also have a small community that I actively lean on. But I think that the difference is finding your people in the sense of them being other creatives, so they can understand the multifacetedness of my gifting and talents. And it's not abnormal I now I don't have to fit in, right, but it's not abnormal for me to speak about the way that my brain operates or the way that my thought process flows or the way that my creativity shows up in everyday life. It's not abnormal to them, because they have something similar in their lives that they can also think about and how that connects to them as well.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, Well, I know that you do bring your creative hub you know into teams or businesses and schools and things like that. Do you meet a lot of resistance from those you know linear, you know left brain people, to what you do favorite people and so I can laugh about it.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

But the reason why they're my favorite people is because most times they might come in resistant, but when they leave they're the person who doesn't want to put the paintbrush down, they're the person who doesn't want to leave. When's the next one, right? And so that's where it becomes. But I'm grateful because I think for us that are creative, we kind of know even though we don't always afford ourselves the opportunity and time to tap into our gifts we kind of know the healing virtue and the expression that we'll get from it. But for someone that doesn't know, it's a whole new world for them. And those are, like, essentially my favorite people.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

I'll sometimes give them one-on-one, I always give them reassurance, I help to make them feel comfortable, right, because this is new for them.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

They don't know what that means, like how do I express myself on this? Or they could be a type A, where it has to be like structure and order. So I love to give options, I love to give them choices, right, of how this potentially could look for them, so it starts to make sense in their minds. But then it also I give them a chance to free flow as well, and when they get the free flow, they got enough instruction, they got a little bit of guidance, they got some support and now they can free flow. By the end of that, and once they're able to free flow, they really get in the zone of seeing how that it's impactful for them and they can leave from that experience and say, wow, I feel so peaceful. Or wow, I'm de-stressed now and they can understand how impactful even in that small moment normally workshops are an hour or two and they get to now leave with that transformative experience with them. So, yeah, wow.

Aideen Ni Riada:

So if somebody is a little stuck on their creative journey let's say we have one of those type A people or someone who's a little bit, you know, skeptical about the value of this, what would you say to someone right now? You know to say, here's how you can get started. Like, here's my advice to you today. Here's how you can get started.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Here's my advice to you today Sure, so one way that I think that they would be able to get started is, essentially, what area are they stuck at? That's where we would focus in on Right. So I would ask them, I would have them identify that we would look into what that might mean for them. And so if someone's listening.

Aideen Ni Riada:

we can tell you right now get out a pen and paper, write down those things. So, write down what's keeping you stuck. Is it? Yes, correct, so you can pause the podcast, guys, you can get a pen and paper. You can do this right now. Okay, what's next?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Sure.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

And so, now that you've written it down, what I like to do is it's sort of like, um, it's called what's on your heart. Okay, it's a simple activity, um, you can do it in five minutes. And so what you would do is, now that you've written out, um, what's blocking you? Um, I want you to draw a heart in the middle of your paper, okay, and once you've done that, I now want you to think about those essential areas that are important to you. So, when you say what's on your heart is what's on your heart in that way. And so once you do that, you can actually start to now fill in the heart. I would say choose between three and five things that are on your heart. You can think of it in the sense of either emotions, right, how are you feeling now? Or how would you like to feel? Right, I would say how would you like to feel? Because, essentially, if you're stuck, we want to get you past being stuck. So let's think about how you would like to feel if you weren't stuck, what that would look like for you. Write those down on there, right? So now that you've done it inside the heart right, you've drawn your heart, you've written those emotions in there of how you'd like to feel beyond the stuck place. Now what we do is we actually are going to play a little bit, and that's what I love about creativity it's experiential learning, it's the opportunity for you to experience something as you learn. And so you can either have some markers you can find something that you can use some colors with Crayons you can paint as well Just something, even if you have a pen but more than one color, like a red pen, a blue pen, right, just something where you can get some color to it. Now you get to start to fill in the heart with some colors, and the reason why I like to use colors is because normally, you typically would pull stuff that would stand out for you and you would take one color to each emotion. Okay, that makes sense. I hope that makes sense. Yeah, and now you start to doodle or fill in that heart with.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Um, you can either cut it into pieces. Like I said, I like to give options. You can cut it into pieces and you can color each area of the heart with how you feel, like you want to feel, right. You can also do shapes, right, you can fill in the heart, with shapes according to each emotion. One emotion could be a triangle, another emotion could be a circle, another emotion could be a square, and so this is processing emotions right through arts or through like a creative, um, creative art form.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

And so now that you've done that, lastly, what I would do is I would take a moment to journal about how you feel, um, the sense of, okay, here's where I know that I'm feeling stuck at, here's where I'm looking to get to, and then essentially thinking about what steps you can take in order to get there.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Now, I would say, make sure that they're actionable. In that way, the reason why doing this art activity is helpful is because it helps you to get past the block that you are experiencing that moment of creativity and art. It almost releases your mind from that area of being stuck. So I'm not saying that you are just going to, you know, jump up, all right, I'm free, like. But because everything is like a process. We all know that. But essentially, if you did this regularly, that would become a part of your creative process, and then you would start to know how to process your emotions that you're experiencing every day, I would say those challenging or difficult emotions, and then, of course, you start to see how you can take steps in order to, to, to reach over to that other side. But yeah, that's just a very simple exercise that you could do.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, I really like it. I mean, I know that a lot of people will use journaling, like you might write down something you know about a fear you you have and then write down your affirmation. Um, the problem can be that we're just using, you know, our logical minds to do that kind of exercise. Um, and I don't know if many people who are listening know a lot about the brain, but, um, there is research to show that a creative brain activates both sides of the brain and helps the interaction between both sides of the brain. So what you're suggesting is, literally, it's activating more of your brain.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, exactly, absolutely, and it's helping it to now meet in the middle. I think once you put it, acknowledgement, down on the paper, your brain almost starts to come up with a solution on its own. And I'm not saying it just magically happens, no, but it is how the structure of the brain works. And so, now that you can, your brain can now see where it's stuck, see where it's trying to get. It now can start to create new pathways in order to make its way there, if you get what I'm saying. But of course, we're going to assist it by, you know now, taking a little moment as we're journaling to see what steps. Because now that you've activated that part of the brain, you're going to start getting some solutions. You're going to start getting some because it's not, it's not focused on that stuck place anymore, it's looking beyond of where it actually is supposed to be going. Right, yeah, yeah.

Aideen Ni Riada:

And then it starts to do that in the moments when you're you're working with your colors. Okay, like, like. Do you have a suggestion on how big the piece of paper should be or how long you should spend on that part?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

sure. So typically I would say 15 minutes just for the coloring pencil part, no, for the whole activity. Okay, yeah, the idea is not to take um it's it shouldn't be challenging, it's not supposed to be difficult, it's supposed to be um a reset and a refresh moment for you, um, and so I would say in the actual like coloring um part and doodling, you want that to take up more of the time. So I'd probably say seven to 10 minutes on that.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Perfect. And so you're just writing something down at the start, getting stuck into your beautiful you know, you know writing the words and your heart, and I never can do a heart evenly Like. Who can do one of those hearts like symmetrically? I mean, only an artist can do that right.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Right, but it's not about perfection. You are expressing yourself. You can do a lopsided heart with intentionality and accept that it's okay, that it does not have to be a perfect heart. The idea is, as I stated before, it's the process we're processing how we feel in this moment. This was a challenge for me. How do I now process it? And then now, how do I make it make sense for actionable steps for me going forward beyond this point, so that I'm not just sitting in this moment feeling stuck and feeling like I can't do anything about it?

Aideen Ni Riada:

So, yeah, I loved what you said about pathways, because I would explain this sometimes to students, to or to clients that our brain, like literally the neural pathway, is very rigid. It kind of likes to go down one route and I like to use the analogy of like a field, maybe with barley growing, and you can tell that pathway that everybody gets from one gap in the hedge this is I'm thinking of Ireland. Now there's a hedge row and you kind of climb over that little hedge row and then the other gap is at the other side and you can see where everybody's walked through, um, even if it's only a small bit of, you know, space in between, but you can tell that the ground's been walked on a number of times. But when we get stuck in our own heads and we only see that one path through, it's limiting our problem solving abilities and but it can take a while to create a new neural pathway, right. So I know that this is going to open up someone's mind and open up their way of perceiving the block that they may.

Aideen Ni Riada:

How would they help themselves to create a new neural pathway? Because I know doing this once for 15 minutes isn't going to be life like it's going to change that one situation, but it isn't going to change your whole life. Like what kind of a routine or habit? How would you fit this into your daily habits, maybe?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Right, and so that's why I had I actually had created 15 minutes to wellness, but that's why I said stick with the 15 minutes. You want to start to develop a creative wellness practice, right? And so what that would look like is it could be 15 minutes. 15 minutes, I would say, is the minimum that you should do, but if you happen to have more space in your schedule, sure feel free.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

But the idea is to now make it a habit, right? Because I think that when we're looking at self-care, we're looking at like taking care of ourselves. We often put that at the back burner, but this is something that now is priority, and so, because of that, we want to amplify that in our schedule and knowing that we're going to now start adding this on as a habit. Now, it doesn't have to be every day that you're going to be creating this what's on your heart check-in, right, but essentially you should do some type of creative check-in with yourself to see where you're at, because the thing is, you don't want to wait for something to happen and then try to figure out what to do. It's much easier to have a maintenance practice or something that you can maintain regularly.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

So you're checking in with yourself quite often, if not every day, and then that allows you the opportunity to know if something is coming up for you almost before it happens, or until you get to the point of breakdown or burnout or you're you know, you're overwhelmed. Let's not get to that point, right. Let's have something in structure and in place that is going to help us to thrive at our lives, right, and so that's why I would say 15 minutes. And so the way that you can essentially start to build that and this is what I do I would work with you to help you to build out what that practice would look like. But essentially, what you would do is you would find activities that you enjoy, and the reason why it says creative wellness is because it's not just based in artistic or art forms. It's creative.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

So, essentially, you could dance, right, even though that is an art form, but you could also work out. But you could also work out. That's a part of the wellness practice. If you enjoy talking with people, connection with people, that's a part of your practice, right, and then you also want to look at other ways. There's like mindful art that you can build out your wellness practice in a creative way that speaks to your creative wellness practice, and so you create that list right. I would say. Let's say, for example, we had five things that we like to do that part, because already I'm going.

Aideen Ni Riada:

I don't know if I can do that by myself, of course, and of course then you'd offer the accountability and the support, because that's the thing that will keep someone working at it. I just was curious if you ever have done this exercise with someone and afterwards they went oh my goodness, I can see something that I could never see before. I've got a solution. Has that happened?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Absolutely. Actually, the end of last year I did a similar exercise, but it was with watercolors, and we were processing our emotions and they couldn't actually identify what it was that was coming. They were like it's something I can't identify. And then, once they were done, they were able to exactly know what it was and then now have steps that would that they could use, um, to take them, like, outside of that area of being stuck. Yeah, yeah.

Aideen Ni Riada:

It was activation, we were able to do.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

It was like, um, like a paint and create session together, and we, like, did co-working, which we love to do and we love to co-create together, and so, yeah, and so that's what we did, and I did the similar activity of what's on your heart. They didn't do a heart, though, right, they ended up just using the whole sheet of paper, and I like to be a guide, so I never restrict you to say, oh, just do a heart, right, but the means of she was able to do this whole beautiful watercolor piece, but it was enough, in, you know, the prompting and guiding questions and so forth and so on, that she was able to process and and come up with the solution.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah, that's like. It's like magic, you know. I mean, some of us go through our whole lives with blocks that we never figure out how to handle, and if this is one way that we can do it and we're not already using that muscle in our own minds of creativity, then, like we got to start doing these things. I mean, like you said, don't wait until you've got a huge problem on your hands, like start today and and start with the small blocks that we have going on and we'll be more resilient, as you say, creative resilience. More resilient, as you say, creative resilience yeah, exactly. So I'd love you to tell us a little bit, maybe, about how people can work with you and how they can find you and find any resources that you might recommend for our listeners.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, absolutely. So. One of my signatures are creative coping tools, and so I actually put together a creative coping tool. It's called 15 minutes to wellness, and it actually is the starter for you to start to build your creative wellness practice for yourself in only 15 minutes a day. Yeah, I made it just for you. Just for you.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yes, that's gonna be fantastic. Oh, I need to get that. So how do we get this thing that you've got for us?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yeah, so basically the way that you can do that is, we'll have the link available for you and basically it's a.

Aideen Ni Riada:

It's a nice download for you and basically it's a, it's a nice download, perfect. So they have like the reminders of, like the process and what kind of questions to ask yourself along that process, so that we don't forget.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

It comes with a workbook and so, like it's a creative coping toolkit, it comes with a check in for yourself. It comes with journal prompts and journal art activities, as well as a whole workbook that all those are encompassed with that you would be able to use to help you stay on track.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Yeah well that sounds amazing. We're going to be emailing you with gratitude from doing these activities Wonderful. Well, we're getting towards the end of our time today. Is there anything else that you'd like to say to the listeners before we sign off?

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

so I just want to say that you need to embrace your own story right and recognize the power of your own creativity and how that is going to help to give confidence to your own voice and really just tap into that and live in that space and um and and find community as well. Do not do this alone. That was another thing that I'll add in.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Absolutely yeah. It's so important Because, in essence, we're all creating our lives. We're co-creating our lives. Our circumstances are one thing, but how we relate to them has a huge impact on what happens next, and anything that helps us to relate to our world with more mindfulness and use resources, like you've suggested, with creativity, those things can genuinely change how we relate to the world for the better, and I love the work you're doing, tahina. It's absolutely phenomenal and I'm glad that you were able to step out of you know the more you know conventional job and step into your creativity, and it's you're very inspiring and I'm very I'm grateful that you took the time today to talk to the listeners on the Resonate podcast.

Tahina Marcette Pierce:

Yes, thanks again. So much for having me, and I hope that whoever is listening will also take it upon themselves to be creatively courageous thank you so much, tahina, um, take care and take and see you soon on the resonate podcast.

Aideen Ni Riada:

Bye.